Private Apple App distribution
Folks, We're planning a MAUI app to be installed on company Android and Apple phones. For Android I can just generate the APK file and side-load it (after the security settings are relaxed). I don't know how to do the same for iPhones. We don't want the app in the store. Assuming there is a convention for "side-loading" Apple apps, what's the technique? Is anyone doing this? A few years ago we published a Xamarin app, but it was for the public and was published in both stores. This time the app's private to the company. Thanks, *Greg Keogh*
Interesting that there’s been a discussion going on with the EU about this. They’re insisting that Apple allow “side-loading” of apps. In response, Apple has apparently said they’re splitting their app store with one for EU, and one for the rest of the world. Regards, Greg Dr Greg Low 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile SQL Down Under | Web: https://sqldownunder.com<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__sqldownunder.com_&d=DwMFAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=2rgtwrXggQFZiZbisdwDooYFalucb-vLhjG0McaanBZKn0UVuognuHqfHnjp2AVc&m=I23jyX4AKIv9q2x7A3CQAer9PGCjq8R6DwW7BE1IAhZ1JbigKMrMPRCjs6AqW7h3&s=o3oFliHztOF8D9Nbqaa7KQdqC-zkQNXWl4IqnEG58Wc&e=> | About Greg: https://about.me/greg.low<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__about.me_greg.low&d=DwMFAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=2rgtwrXggQFZiZbisdwDooYFalucb-vLhjG0McaanBZKn0UVuognuHqfHnjp2AVc&m=I23jyX4AKIv9q2x7A3CQAer9PGCjq8R6DwW7BE1IAhZ1JbigKMrMPRCjs6AqW7h3&s=NsAibgiqfCxsyc8m2DBKogKQcs3OqE3mkyCjmpoYxTk&e=> From: Greg Keogh via ozdotnet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2024 2:46 PM To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> Cc: Greg Keogh <gfkeogh@gmail.com> Subject: Private Apple App distribution Folks, We're planning a MAUI app to be installed on company Android and Apple phones. For Android I can just generate the APK file and side-load it (after the security settings are relaxed). I don't know how to do the same for iPhones. We don't want the app in the store. Assuming there is a convention for "side-loading" Apple apps, what's the technique? Is anyone doing this? A few years ago we published a Xamarin app, but it was for the public and was published in both stores. This time the app's private to the company. Thanks, Greg Keogh
So the "way" will be to use a VPN, and set your Apple devices up in Europe? I'm wondering if any other countries will jump on board. Mike On Wed, 17 Jan 2024, 14:29 Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet, <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
Interesting that there’s been a discussion going on with the EU about this. They’re insisting that Apple allow “side-loading” of apps. In response, Apple has apparently said they’re splitting their app store with one for EU, and one for the rest of the world.
Regards,
Greg
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*From:* Greg Keogh via ozdotnet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 17, 2024 2:46 PM *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> *Cc:* Greg Keogh <gfkeogh@gmail.com> *Subject:* Private Apple App distribution
Folks,
We're planning a MAUI app to be installed on company Android and Apple phones. For Android I can just generate the APK file and side-load it (after the security settings are relaxed). I don't know how to do the same for iPhones. We don't want the app in the store. Assuming there is a convention for "side-loading" Apple apps, what's the technique? Is anyone doing this?
A few years ago we published a Xamarin app, but it was for the public and was published in both stores. This time the app's private to the company.
Thanks,
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😊 I like the lateral thinking. I wonder if it will be based on the user’s home location, or where the phone is. Regards, Greg Dr Greg Low 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile SQL Down Under | Web: https://sqldownunder.com<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__sqldownunder.com_&d=DwMFAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=2rgtwrXggQFZiZbisdwDooYFalucb-vLhjG0McaanBZKn0UVuognuHqfHnjp2AVc&m=I23jyX4AKIv9q2x7A3CQAer9PGCjq8R6DwW7BE1IAhZ1JbigKMrMPRCjs6AqW7h3&s=o3oFliHztOF8D9Nbqaa7KQdqC-zkQNXWl4IqnEG58Wc&e=> | About Greg: https://about.me/greg.low<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__about.me_greg.low&d=DwMFAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=2rgtwrXggQFZiZbisdwDooYFalucb-vLhjG0McaanBZKn0UVuognuHqfHnjp2AVc&m=I23jyX4AKIv9q2x7A3CQAer9PGCjq8R6DwW7BE1IAhZ1JbigKMrMPRCjs6AqW7h3&s=NsAibgiqfCxsyc8m2DBKogKQcs3OqE3mkyCjmpoYxTk&e=> From: mike smith via ozdotnet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2024 3:11 PM To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> Cc: mike smith <meski.oz@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Private Apple App distribution So the "way" will be to use a VPN, and set your Apple devices up in Europe? I'm wondering if any other countries will jump on board. Mike On Wed, 17 Jan 2024, 14:29 Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet, <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>> wrote: Interesting that there’s been a discussion going on with the EU about this. They’re insisting that Apple allow “side-loading” of apps. In response, Apple has apparently said they’re splitting their app store with one for EU, and one for the rest of the world. Regards, Greg Dr Greg Low 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile SQL Down Under | Web: https://sqldownunder.com<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__sqldownunder.com_&d=DwMFAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=2rgtwrXggQFZiZbisdwDooYFalucb-vLhjG0McaanBZKn0UVuognuHqfHnjp2AVc&m=I23jyX4AKIv9q2x7A3CQAer9PGCjq8R6DwW7BE1IAhZ1JbigKMrMPRCjs6AqW7h3&s=o3oFliHztOF8D9Nbqaa7KQdqC-zkQNXWl4IqnEG58Wc&e=> | About Greg: https://about.me/greg.low<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__about.me_greg.low&d=DwMFAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=2rgtwrXggQFZiZbisdwDooYFalucb-vLhjG0McaanBZKn0UVuognuHqfHnjp2AVc&m=I23jyX4AKIv9q2x7A3CQAer9PGCjq8R6DwW7BE1IAhZ1JbigKMrMPRCjs6AqW7h3&s=NsAibgiqfCxsyc8m2DBKogKQcs3OqE3mkyCjmpoYxTk&e=> From: Greg Keogh via ozdotnet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2024 2:46 PM To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>> Cc: Greg Keogh <gfkeogh@gmail.com<mailto:gfkeogh@gmail.com>> Subject: Private Apple App distribution Folks, We're planning a MAUI app to be installed on company Android and Apple phones. For Android I can just generate the APK file and side-load it (after the security settings are relaxed). I don't know how to do the same for iPhones. We don't want the app in the store. Assuming there is a convention for "side-loading" Apple apps, what's the technique? Is anyone doing this? A few years ago we published a Xamarin app, but it was for the public and was published in both stores. This time the app's private to the company. Thanks, Greg Keogh -- ozdotnet mailing list To manage your subscription, access archives: https://codify.mailman3.com/
I am sure other countries will jump on board once the technical precedence has been set. Apple can be very stubborn in holding on to old/dumb ideas. They're still selling stuff with lightning connector in 2024. On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 at 14:12, mike smith via ozdotnet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
So the "way" will be to use a VPN, and set your Apple devices up in Europe?
I'm wondering if any other countries will jump on board.
Mike
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024, 14:29 Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet, < ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
Interesting that there’s been a discussion going on with the EU about this. They’re insisting that Apple allow “side-loading” of apps. In response, Apple has apparently said they’re splitting their app store with one for EU, and one for the rest of the world.
Regards,
Greg
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*From:* Greg Keogh via ozdotnet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 17, 2024 2:46 PM *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> *Cc:* Greg Keogh <gfkeogh@gmail.com> *Subject:* Private Apple App distribution
Folks,
We're planning a MAUI app to be installed on company Android and Apple phones. For Android I can just generate the APK file and side-load it (after the security settings are relaxed). I don't know how to do the same for iPhones. We don't want the app in the store. Assuming there is a convention for "side-loading" Apple apps, what's the technique? Is anyone doing this?
A few years ago we published a Xamarin app, but it was for the public and was published in both stores. This time the app's private to the company.
Thanks,
*Greg Keogh* -- ozdotnet mailing list To manage your subscription, access archives: https://codify.mailman3.com/
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Didn't the Euros make them go to USB C? On Wed, 17 Jan 2024, 15:31 David Connors via ozdotnet, < ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
I am sure other countries will jump on board once the technical precedence has been set.
Apple can be very stubborn in holding on to old/dumb ideas. They're still selling stuff with lightning connector in 2024.
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 at 14:12, mike smith via ozdotnet < ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
So the "way" will be to use a VPN, and set your Apple devices up in Europe?
I'm wondering if any other countries will jump on board.
Mike
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024, 14:29 Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet, < ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
Interesting that there’s been a discussion going on with the EU about this. They’re insisting that Apple allow “side-loading” of apps. In response, Apple has apparently said they’re splitting their app store with one for EU, and one for the rest of the world.
Regards,
Greg
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*From:* Greg Keogh via ozdotnet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 17, 2024 2:46 PM *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> *Cc:* Greg Keogh <gfkeogh@gmail.com> *Subject:* Private Apple App distribution
Folks,
We're planning a MAUI app to be installed on company Android and Apple phones. For Android I can just generate the APK file and side-load it (after the security settings are relaxed). I don't know how to do the same for iPhones. We don't want the app in the store. Assuming there is a convention for "side-loading" Apple apps, what's the technique? Is anyone doing this?
A few years ago we published a Xamarin app, but it was for the public and was published in both stores. This time the app's private to the company.
Thanks,
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Yeah they did for iPhone 15 - still sell the old ones with Lightning, and most headphones, and mice, and trackpads, and probably other things. I love how Apple used the argument that they didn't want to be forced to do it because it would stifle innovation - meanwhile they're selling lightning that runs at USB 2.0 speeds while the rest of the planet has moved on. On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 at 15:08, mike smith via ozdotnet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
Didn't the Euros make them go to USB C?
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024, 15:31 David Connors via ozdotnet, < ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
I am sure other countries will jump on board once the technical precedence has been set.
Apple can be very stubborn in holding on to old/dumb ideas. They're still selling stuff with lightning connector in 2024.
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 at 14:12, mike smith via ozdotnet < ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
So the "way" will be to use a VPN, and set your Apple devices up in Europe?
I'm wondering if any other countries will jump on board.
Mike
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024, 14:29 Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet, < ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
Interesting that there’s been a discussion going on with the EU about this. They’re insisting that Apple allow “side-loading” of apps. In response, Apple has apparently said they’re splitting their app store with one for EU, and one for the rest of the world.
Regards,
Greg
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*From:* Greg Keogh via ozdotnet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 17, 2024 2:46 PM *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> *Cc:* Greg Keogh <gfkeogh@gmail.com> *Subject:* Private Apple App distribution
Folks,
We're planning a MAUI app to be installed on company Android and Apple phones. For Android I can just generate the APK file and side-load it (after the security settings are relaxed). I don't know how to do the same for iPhones. We don't want the app in the store. Assuming there is a convention for "side-loading" Apple apps, what's the technique? Is anyone doing this?
A few years ago we published a Xamarin app, but it was for the public and was published in both stores. This time the app's private to the company.
Thanks,
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They're not even doing full speed USB C iirc We've come full circle: remember db25 connections, the only thing standard was the connector. Mike On Wed, 17 Jan 2024, 15:45 David Connors via ozdotnet, < ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
Yeah they did for iPhone 15 - still sell the old ones with Lightning, and most headphones, and mice, and trackpads, and probably other things.
I love how Apple used the argument that they didn't want to be forced to do it because it would stifle innovation - meanwhile they're selling lightning that runs at USB 2.0 speeds while the rest of the planet has moved on.
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 at 15:08, mike smith via ozdotnet < ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
Didn't the Euros make them go to USB C?
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024, 15:31 David Connors via ozdotnet, < ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
I am sure other countries will jump on board once the technical precedence has been set.
Apple can be very stubborn in holding on to old/dumb ideas. They're still selling stuff with lightning connector in 2024.
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 at 14:12, mike smith via ozdotnet < ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
So the "way" will be to use a VPN, and set your Apple devices up in Europe?
I'm wondering if any other countries will jump on board.
Mike
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024, 14:29 Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet, < ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
Interesting that there’s been a discussion going on with the EU about this. They’re insisting that Apple allow “side-loading” of apps. In response, Apple has apparently said they’re splitting their app store with one for EU, and one for the rest of the world.
Regards,
Greg
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*From:* Greg Keogh via ozdotnet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 17, 2024 2:46 PM *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> *Cc:* Greg Keogh <gfkeogh@gmail.com> *Subject:* Private Apple App distribution
Folks,
We're planning a MAUI app to be installed on company Android and Apple phones. For Android I can just generate the APK file and side-load it (after the security settings are relaxed). I don't know how to do the same for iPhones. We don't want the app in the store. Assuming there is a convention for "side-loading" Apple apps, what's the technique? Is anyone doing this?
A few years ago we published a Xamarin app, but it was for the public and was published in both stores. This time the app's private to the company.
Thanks,
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The Pro and Pro Max do, the others don't. On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 at 15:35, mike smith via ozdotnet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
They're not even doing full speed USB C iirc
We've come full circle: remember db25 connections, the only thing standard was the connector.
Mike
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024, 15:45 David Connors via ozdotnet, < ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
Yeah they did for iPhone 15 - still sell the old ones with Lightning, and most headphones, and mice, and trackpads, and probably other things.
I love how Apple used the argument that they didn't want to be forced to do it because it would stifle innovation - meanwhile they're selling lightning that runs at USB 2.0 speeds while the rest of the planet has moved on.
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 at 15:08, mike smith via ozdotnet < ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
Didn't the Euros make them go to USB C?
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024, 15:31 David Connors via ozdotnet, < ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
I am sure other countries will jump on board once the technical precedence has been set.
Apple can be very stubborn in holding on to old/dumb ideas. They're still selling stuff with lightning connector in 2024.
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 at 14:12, mike smith via ozdotnet < ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
So the "way" will be to use a VPN, and set your Apple devices up in Europe?
I'm wondering if any other countries will jump on board.
Mike
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024, 14:29 Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet, < ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
Interesting that there’s been a discussion going on with the EU about this. They’re insisting that Apple allow “side-loading” of apps. In response, Apple has apparently said they’re splitting their app store with one for EU, and one for the rest of the world.
Regards,
Greg
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*From:* Greg Keogh via ozdotnet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 17, 2024 2:46 PM *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> *Cc:* Greg Keogh <gfkeogh@gmail.com> *Subject:* Private Apple App distribution
Folks,
We're planning a MAUI app to be installed on company Android and Apple phones. For Android I can just generate the APK file and side-load it (after the security settings are relaxed). I don't know how to do the same for iPhones. We don't want the app in the store. Assuming there is a convention for "side-loading" Apple apps, what's the technique? Is anyone doing this?
A few years ago we published a Xamarin app, but it was for the public and was published in both stores. This time the app's private to the company.
Thanks,
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So you're all telling me that there is no "side load" feature for iPhone apps?! This is a dreadful obstacle to getting the app onto company staff phones. Luckily I have an Apple account that was recently renewed (for 150 goddamn $), but I'll have to fill-in all the store compliance documentation and make keys and fumble through their cryptic alien processes, and so on and on. Goddammit again. *GK*
Are you in the Apple Developer program? I’m guessing there might be a test option there. Regards, Greg Dr Greg Low 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile SQL Down Under | Web: https://sqldownunder.com<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__sqldownunder.com_&d=DwMFAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=2rgtwrXggQFZiZbisdwDooYFalucb-vLhjG0McaanBZKn0UVuognuHqfHnjp2AVc&m=I23jyX4AKIv9q2x7A3CQAer9PGCjq8R6DwW7BE1IAhZ1JbigKMrMPRCjs6AqW7h3&s=o3oFliHztOF8D9Nbqaa7KQdqC-zkQNXWl4IqnEG58Wc&e=> | About Greg: https://about.me/greg.low<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__about.me_greg.low&d=DwMFAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=2rgtwrXggQFZiZbisdwDooYFalucb-vLhjG0McaanBZKn0UVuognuHqfHnjp2AVc&m=I23jyX4AKIv9q2x7A3CQAer9PGCjq8R6DwW7BE1IAhZ1JbigKMrMPRCjs6AqW7h3&s=NsAibgiqfCxsyc8m2DBKogKQcs3OqE3mkyCjmpoYxTk&e=> From: Greg Keogh via ozdotnet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2024 4:46 PM To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> Cc: Greg Keogh <gfkeogh@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Private Apple App distribution So you're all telling me that there is no "side load" feature for iPhone apps?! This is a dreadful obstacle to getting the app onto company staff phones. Luckily I have an Apple account that was recently renewed (for 150 goddamn $), but I'll have to fill-in all the store compliance documentation and make keys and fumble through their cryptic alien processes, and so on and on. Goddammit again. GK
Yeah you can use testflight to distribute betas and set up an enterprise area in the app store for your own enterprise apps to be distributed to enterprise enrolled devices. Not the same as sideloading a random executable though and you're still subject to Apple's review process etc. On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 at 16:22, Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet < ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
Are you in the Apple Developer program? I’m guessing there might be a test option there.
Regards,
Greg
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*From:* Greg Keogh via ozdotnet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 17, 2024 4:46 PM *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> *Cc:* Greg Keogh <gfkeogh@gmail.com> *Subject:* Re: Private Apple App distribution
So you're all telling me that there is no "side load" feature for iPhone apps?! This is a dreadful obstacle to getting the app onto company staff phones. Luckily I have an Apple account that was recently renewed (for 150 goddamn $), but I'll have to fill-in all the store compliance documentation and make keys and fumble through their cryptic alien processes, and so on and on. Goddammit again.
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And even more changes from Apple: https://www.macrumors.com/2024/01/16/us-app-store-alternative-purchase-optio... Regards, Greg Dr Greg Low 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile SQL Down Under | Web: https://sqldownunder.com<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__sqldownunder.com_&d=DwMFAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=2rgtwrXggQFZiZbisdwDooYFalucb-vLhjG0McaanBZKn0UVuognuHqfHnjp2AVc&m=I23jyX4AKIv9q2x7A3CQAer9PGCjq8R6DwW7BE1IAhZ1JbigKMrMPRCjs6AqW7h3&s=o3oFliHztOF8D9Nbqaa7KQdqC-zkQNXWl4IqnEG58Wc&e=> | About Greg: https://about.me/greg.low<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__about.me_greg.low&d=DwMFAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=2rgtwrXggQFZiZbisdwDooYFalucb-vLhjG0McaanBZKn0UVuognuHqfHnjp2AVc&m=I23jyX4AKIv9q2x7A3CQAer9PGCjq8R6DwW7BE1IAhZ1JbigKMrMPRCjs6AqW7h3&s=NsAibgiqfCxsyc8m2DBKogKQcs3OqE3mkyCjmpoYxTk&e=> From: Dr Greg Low Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2024 5:21 PM To: 'ozDotNet' <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> Cc: Greg Keogh <gfkeogh@gmail.com> Subject: RE: Private Apple App distribution Are you in the Apple Developer program? I’m guessing there might be a test option there. Regards, Greg Dr Greg Low 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile SQL Down Under | Web: https://sqldownunder.com<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__sqldownunder.com_&d=DwMFAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=2rgtwrXggQFZiZbisdwDooYFalucb-vLhjG0McaanBZKn0UVuognuHqfHnjp2AVc&m=I23jyX4AKIv9q2x7A3CQAer9PGCjq8R6DwW7BE1IAhZ1JbigKMrMPRCjs6AqW7h3&s=o3oFliHztOF8D9Nbqaa7KQdqC-zkQNXWl4IqnEG58Wc&e=> | About Greg: https://about.me/greg.low<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__about.me_greg.low&d=DwMFAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=2rgtwrXggQFZiZbisdwDooYFalucb-vLhjG0McaanBZKn0UVuognuHqfHnjp2AVc&m=I23jyX4AKIv9q2x7A3CQAer9PGCjq8R6DwW7BE1IAhZ1JbigKMrMPRCjs6AqW7h3&s=NsAibgiqfCxsyc8m2DBKogKQcs3OqE3mkyCjmpoYxTk&e=> From: Greg Keogh via ozdotnet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2024 4:46 PM To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>> Cc: Greg Keogh <gfkeogh@gmail.com<mailto:gfkeogh@gmail.com>> Subject: Re: Private Apple App distribution So you're all telling me that there is no "side load" feature for iPhone apps?! This is a dreadful obstacle to getting the app onto company staff phones. Luckily I have an Apple account that was recently renewed (for 150 goddamn $), but I'll have to fill-in all the store compliance documentation and make keys and fumble through their cryptic alien processes, and so on and on. Goddammit again. GK
You can use an MDM. MacOS has one but it's not suitable for enterprise. If you're only serving a few hundred devices, it might be good enough. You have to set it up via Apple Business Manager. It's pretty crappy and chokes under any kind of load so I don't recommend. We moved away from this as it was not suitable. We were using it for about 2000ish devices. Not sure who made that decision :) There are others out there like Microsoft's Intune, SOTI, etc. But all of these require employees to trust the company so none of them really meet your side loading requirement. I wouldn't install any of these things on my personal phone. Depending on the profile installed, the company can do all kinds of stuff to your phone. Someone mentioned TestFlight but that's no good either as each release times out after 90 days and you have to build a new release with a new version number to get it back. Then everyone has to agree to test the new version each time. This is a major hassle. It makes version management a pain when it gets out of sync with Android for no real reason. David "If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... checkmate!" -Zapp Brannigan, Futurama On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 at 16:51, Greg Keogh via ozdotnet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
So you're all telling me that there is no "side load" feature for iPhone apps?! This is a dreadful obstacle to getting the app onto company staff phones. Luckily I have an Apple account that was recently renewed (for 150 goddamn $), but I'll have to fill-in all the store compliance documentation and make keys and fumble through their cryptic alien processes, and so on and on. Goddammit again.
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Perhaps not ideal but maybe the app can go into the app store but nobody can actually use it without an account which you would only allow your users to create. Just an idea. On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 at 14:48, Greg Keogh via ozdotnet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
Folks,
We're planning a MAUI app to be installed on company Android and Apple phones. For Android I can just generate the APK file and side-load it (after the security settings are relaxed). I don't know how to do the same for iPhones. We don't want the app in the store. Assuming there is a convention for "side-loading" Apple apps, what's the technique? Is anyone doing this?
A few years ago we published a Xamarin app, but it was for the public and was published in both stores. This time the app's private to the company.
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Perhaps not ideal but maybe the app can go into the app store but nobody can actually use it without an account which you would only allow your users to create. Just an idea.
Each phone running the app needs its app-generated ID registered in a master XML file, so the public can't run it, which makes forcing it into the store somewhat stupid -- *Greg*
On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 at 14:48, Greg Keogh via ozdotnet < ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
Folks,
We're planning a MAUI app to be installed on company Android and Apple phones. For Android I can just generate the APK file and side-load it (after the security settings are relaxed). I don't know how to do the same for iPhones. We don't want the app in the store. Assuming there is a convention for "side-loading" Apple apps, what's the technique? Is anyone doing this?
A few years ago we published a Xamarin app, but it was for the public and was published in both stores. This time the app's private to the company.
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