[OT] APNIC charges for historical resources
Folks, It's almost Friday... I just received an email from APNIC to tell me that a class C IP block I've owned for 27 years is now under their control and I will be charged $500/year to keep this *historical* resource that was created before APNIC existed. See Maintenance Fee Change <https://help.apnic.net/s/article/historical-fee-change>. Has anyone else received a similar notification? My thoughts were: this is either kidnapping, extortion or a "protection racket", or all three. I'm reminded of the 1990s when Melbourne IT were effectively selling the dictionary for a minimum ~$135 per domain name, and special words like "realestate" or "sales" etc were up for the highest bidder at eye-watering prices. Ah, the days of the Internet boom...! I'd like to write an official complaint about APNIC's money-grubbing scam to someone, but who? The ACCC is a toothless tiger. There is a federal ombudsman, but would APNIC be on their radar? Cheers, *Greg K*
Greg, Historical objects were always free but they made you bring them into a paid basis whenever you needed additional IP space or a new AS number or something. That happened to us years ago. Once you're on that train you can't get off. They must be rounding up the stragglers like you. :) David. On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 at 07:41, Greg Keogh via ozdotnet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
Folks, It's almost Friday...
I just received an email from APNIC to tell me that a class C IP block I've owned for 27 years is now under their control and I will be charged $500/year to keep this *historical* resource that was created before APNIC existed. See Maintenance Fee Change <https://help.apnic.net/s/article/historical-fee-change>. Has anyone else received a similar notification?
My thoughts were: this is either kidnapping, extortion or a "protection racket", or all three.
I'm reminded of the 1990s when Melbourne IT were effectively selling the dictionary for a minimum ~$135 per domain name, and special words like "realestate" or "sales" etc were up for the highest bidder at eye-watering prices. Ah, the days of the Internet boom...!
I'd like to write an official complaint about APNIC's money-grubbing scam to someone, but who? The ACCC is a toothless tiger. There is a federal ombudsman, but would APNIC be on their radar?
Cheers, *Greg K* -- ozdotnet mailing list To manage your subscription, access archives: https://codify.mailman3.com/
Yep, the major ISPs ran out of IPv4 space ages ago. I note that I can no longer get an v4 IP when using any mobile service that has Telstra underneath it. And of course that’s a world of entertainment for systems that I need to connect to that have IP v4 allow lists. I’m sure they’re mopping up all the class Cs as they can. I’ll bet they did the class B and class A ones ages ago. In the end, whoever owns the routing at the upper levels gets to call the shots. Regards, Greg Dr Greg Low 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile SQL Down Under | Web: https://sqldownunder.com<https://sqldownunder.com/> | About Greg: https://about.me/greg.low From: David Connors via ozdotnet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> Sent: Wednesday, 1 March 2023 1:29 PM To: ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> Cc: David Connors <david@connors.com> Subject: Re: [OT] APNIC charges for historical resources Greg, Historical objects were always free but they made you bring them into a paid basis whenever you needed additional IP space or a new AS number or something. That happened to us years ago. Once you're on that train you can't get off. They must be rounding up the stragglers like you. :) David. On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 at 07:41, Greg Keogh via ozdotnet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com>> wrote: Folks, It's almost Friday... I just received an email from APNIC to tell me that a class C IP block I've owned for 27 years is now under their control and I will be charged $500/year to keep this historical resource that was created before APNIC existed. See Maintenance Fee Change<https://help.apnic.net/s/article/historical-fee-change>. Has anyone else received a similar notification? My thoughts were: this is either kidnapping, extortion or a "protection racket", or all three. I'm reminded of the 1990s when Melbourne IT were effectively selling the dictionary for a minimum ~$135 per domain name, and special words like "realestate" or "sales" etc were up for the highest bidder at eye-watering prices. Ah, the days of the Internet boom...! I'd like to write an official complaint about APNIC's money-grubbing scam to someone, but who? The ACCC is a toothless tiger. There is a federal ombudsman, but would APNIC be on their radar? Cheers, Greg K -- ozdotnet mailing list To manage your subscription, access archives: https://codify.mailman3.com/
Your replies have confirmed the situation. I didn't realise a IPv4 hunt-and-reclaim was going on, and now they've found me, and I can't get off their radar, and they call the shots, and I'll have to roll over and give-up the range I used to own. If I don't join and pay then the range apparently becomes "disabled" from any use. So you have no choice but to surrender (or just hang on to the dead C block out of spite). If it cost $15 a year to keep the range then I'd pay (it's not even worth that), but *$500* ! In any other case I would call this theft and extortion. *Greg K* On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 at 13:35, Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
Yep, the major ISPs ran out of IPv4 space ages ago. I note that I can no longer get an v4 IP when using any mobile service that has Telstra underneath it. And of course that’s a world of entertainment for systems that I need to connect to that have IP v4 allow lists.
I’m sure they’re mopping up all the class Cs as they can. I’ll bet they did the class B and class A ones ages ago.
In the end, whoever owns the routing at the upper levels gets to call the shots.
Regards,
Greg
Dr Greg Low
1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile
SQL Down Under | Web: https://sqldownunder.com | About Greg: https://about.me/greg.low
*From:* David Connors via ozdotnet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, 1 March 2023 1:29 PM *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> *Cc:* David Connors <david@connors.com> *Subject:* Re: [OT] APNIC charges for historical resources
Greg,
Historical objects were always free but they made you bring them into a paid basis whenever you needed additional IP space or a new AS number or something. That happened to us years ago. Once you're on that train you can't get off.
They must be rounding up the stragglers like you. :)
David.
On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 at 07:41, Greg Keogh via ozdotnet < ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
Folks, It's almost Friday...
I just received an email from APNIC to tell me that a class C IP block I've owned for 27 years is now under their control and I will be charged $500/year to keep this *historical* resource that was created before APNIC existed. See Maintenance Fee Change <https://help.apnic.net/s/article/historical-fee-change>. Has anyone else received a similar notification?
My thoughts were: this is either kidnapping, extortion or a "protection racket", or all three.
I'm reminded of the 1990s when Melbourne IT were effectively selling the dictionary for a minimum ~$135 per domain name, and special words like "realestate" or "sales" etc were up for the highest bidder at eye-watering prices. Ah, the days of the Internet boom...!
I'd like to write an official complaint about APNIC's money-grubbing scam to someone, but who? The ACCC is a toothless tiger. There is a federal ombudsman, but would APNIC be on their radar?
Cheers,
*Greg K*
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You should be able to sell the /24 for $15-20 bucks an IP so I'd just pay the fee then get a broker to market it for you and flog it off if you're not using it. On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 at 12:55, Greg Keogh <gfkeogh@gmail.com> wrote:
Your replies have confirmed the situation. I didn't realise a IPv4 hunt-and-reclaim was going on, and now they've found me, and I can't get off their radar, and they call the shots, and I'll have to roll over and give-up the range I used to own. If I don't join and pay then the range apparently becomes "disabled" from any use. So you have no choice but to surrender (or just hang on to the dead C block out of spite). If it cost $15 a year to keep the range then I'd pay (it's not even worth that), but *$500* !
In any other case I would call this theft and extortion.
*Greg K*
On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 at 13:35, Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet < ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
Yep, the major ISPs ran out of IPv4 space ages ago. I note that I can no longer get an v4 IP when using any mobile service that has Telstra underneath it. And of course that’s a world of entertainment for systems that I need to connect to that have IP v4 allow lists.
I’m sure they’re mopping up all the class Cs as they can. I’ll bet they did the class B and class A ones ages ago.
In the end, whoever owns the routing at the upper levels gets to call the shots.
Regards,
Greg
Dr Greg Low
1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile
SQL Down Under | Web: https://sqldownunder.com | About Greg: https://about.me/greg.low
*From:* David Connors via ozdotnet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, 1 March 2023 1:29 PM *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> *Cc:* David Connors <david@connors.com> *Subject:* Re: [OT] APNIC charges for historical resources
Greg,
Historical objects were always free but they made you bring them into a paid basis whenever you needed additional IP space or a new AS number or something. That happened to us years ago. Once you're on that train you can't get off.
They must be rounding up the stragglers like you. :)
David.
On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 at 07:41, Greg Keogh via ozdotnet < ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
Folks, It's almost Friday...
I just received an email from APNIC to tell me that a class C IP block I've owned for 27 years is now under their control and I will be charged $500/year to keep this *historical* resource that was created before APNIC existed. See Maintenance Fee Change <https://help.apnic.net/s/article/historical-fee-change>. Has anyone else received a similar notification?
My thoughts were: this is either kidnapping, extortion or a "protection racket", or all three.
I'm reminded of the 1990s when Melbourne IT were effectively selling the dictionary for a minimum ~$135 per domain name, and special words like "realestate" or "sales" etc were up for the highest bidder at eye-watering prices. Ah, the days of the Internet boom...!
I'd like to write an official complaint about APNIC's money-grubbing scam to someone, but who? The ACCC is a toothless tiger. There is a federal ombudsman, but would APNIC be on their radar?
Cheers,
*Greg K*
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It may get worse: https://blog.rwts.com.au/apnic-under-threat/ On Wed, 1 Mar 2023, 14:54 David Connors via ozdotnet, <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
You should be able to sell the /24 for $15-20 bucks an IP so I'd just pay the fee then get a broker to market it for you and flog it off if you're not using it.
On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 at 12:55, Greg Keogh <gfkeogh@gmail.com> wrote:
Your replies have confirmed the situation. I didn't realise a IPv4 hunt-and-reclaim was going on, and now they've found me, and I can't get off their radar, and they call the shots, and I'll have to roll over and give-up the range I used to own. If I don't join and pay then the range apparently becomes "disabled" from any use. So you have no choice but to surrender (or just hang on to the dead C block out of spite). If it cost $15 a year to keep the range then I'd pay (it's not even worth that), but *$500* !
In any other case I would call this theft and extortion.
*Greg K*
On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 at 13:35, Dr Greg Low via ozdotnet < ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
Yep, the major ISPs ran out of IPv4 space ages ago. I note that I can no longer get an v4 IP when using any mobile service that has Telstra underneath it. And of course that’s a world of entertainment for systems that I need to connect to that have IP v4 allow lists.
I’m sure they’re mopping up all the class Cs as they can. I’ll bet they did the class B and class A ones ages ago.
In the end, whoever owns the routing at the upper levels gets to call the shots.
Regards,
Greg
Dr Greg Low
1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile
SQL Down Under | Web: https://sqldownunder.com | About Greg: https://about.me/greg.low
*From:* David Connors via ozdotnet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, 1 March 2023 1:29 PM *To:* ozDotNet <ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> *Cc:* David Connors <david@connors.com> *Subject:* Re: [OT] APNIC charges for historical resources
Greg,
Historical objects were always free but they made you bring them into a paid basis whenever you needed additional IP space or a new AS number or something. That happened to us years ago. Once you're on that train you can't get off.
They must be rounding up the stragglers like you. :)
David.
On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 at 07:41, Greg Keogh via ozdotnet < ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com> wrote:
Folks, It's almost Friday...
I just received an email from APNIC to tell me that a class C IP block I've owned for 27 years is now under their control and I will be charged $500/year to keep this *historical* resource that was created before APNIC existed. See Maintenance Fee Change <https://help.apnic.net/s/article/historical-fee-change>. Has anyone else received a similar notification?
My thoughts were: this is either kidnapping, extortion or a "protection racket", or all three.
I'm reminded of the 1990s when Melbourne IT were effectively selling the dictionary for a minimum ~$135 per domain name, and special words like "realestate" or "sales" etc were up for the highest bidder at eye-watering prices. Ah, the days of the Internet boom...!
I'd like to write an official complaint about APNIC's money-grubbing scam to someone, but who? The ACCC is a toothless tiger. There is a federal ombudsman, but would APNIC be on their radar?
Cheers,
*Greg K*
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